
■ Kathy Laurer (Froedert): Which weight do you propose in this metric? Recorded body weight
or the adjusted body weight?
● Megan Anders (UMaryland): Recorded body weight. Our intent is to stay consistent with
the package insert.
■ Xan Abess (Dartmouth): I have some hesitancy in creating a measure based on a medication
cost, when prices can fluctuate so much depending on distribution contracts,
pharmaceutical manufacturing decisions, patents, etc.
● Germaine Cuff via chat (NYU): Agreed
● Megan Anders (UMaryland): Great point! the cost when we started this; regardless of
cost, will always be less expensive to give less drug than more. measure would withstand
fluctuations in cost, is my personal opinion
■ Marc Pimentel (Brigham and Women’s): We have a history of overusing sugammadex…we
found we were only using 1 out of every 2 vials that were purchased accounting to over a
million dollars/year. moved it to the omnicell and we’re finding residents were using too
much rocuronium. We tend to give more sugammadex as a result. Even without considering
cost, this measure is worthwhile due to anaphylaxis is a real risk for sugammadex. Look
forward to this measure!
■ Greg Balfanz via chat (UNC): I think this measure can also be reframed as ensuring
appropriate dosing with the benefit of evaluating cost benefits. Despite what Megan said,
we had a very noticeable increase in NMBD use because of the ‘easy out’
■ John Lagorio via chat (Trinity Health): Agree that problem is overuse of NMBD. Some
concern that this measure may focus on smaller doses of Sugammadex and not first problem
■ Susan Vishneski (Wake Forest): Is there confirmation that the patient is meeting TOF ratio of
90% after low dose of sugammadex?
● Megan Anders (UMaryland): there are papers encouraging under-dosing of
sugammedex, this is not that. This is encouraging proper dosing to meet the criteria. no
logic built into the measure to account for this. There is clinical freedom to match the
proper dose to the scenario.
■ Alexander Abess (Dartmouth): I think it’s a cool measure. I think it’s cost and appropriately
therapeutic conscious. I have come concerns about chasing reduction in drug costs. We are
really only seeing 200 vs 400 mg dosing. Will this measure account for using the 500 mg vial?
Will this measure examine the use of a 500 mg vial and only giving 200 mg of that?
● Megan Anders (UMaryland): We do see dose rounding to the 50 and 200’s. Our
pharmacy splits and compound the 200mg syringes for us so we don’t have much
tension with the 500mg vials and i think this helps reduce our cost. The measure isn’t
going to address all specific scenarios. We did see a change in the NMB dosing patterns
where the and am happy to share that separately
■ Patrick Hensen (Vanderbilt): I know we all hate addressing cost in the open but it is a large
component of providing anesthesia care. Are we suggesting this measure would also address
proper sugammadex dosing? I didn’t think so but want to clarify that would not be part of
this measure. Is it part of an existing ASPIRE measure?
● Nirav Shah (MPOG): not this measure or part of another existing measure. Based on ASA
recommendations we are thinking of building a measure to assess use of quantitative